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09-30-2006, 10:05 PM
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I finally found the correct terminology for who I am!
I'm a metrosexual anarchist clashed with an euphonical skater!
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10-01-2006, 03:12 PM
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I believe in fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. I believe in targeted and specific social programs, but not mass handouts. I believe in strong defense, but only when its used in defense, not all this other bullshit. I believe we should spend our tax money on education, alternative energy and hunting down Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, or wherever the hell he is, not destroying and then rebuilding what was one of the few secular governments in the middle east.
Anyway, slightly off-topic, I just finished the book 'The Flags of Our Fathers' about the Iwo Jima flag raisers. Great book. Anyway, the book mentions how back in WW II, all war funding had to come from war bond drives. The government would put on a fancy tour across the country to sell bonds to the people - they did this 7 times over the course of WW II. Therefore, in order to finance a war, the government had to have people's support - demonstrated by their willingness to literally buy bonds, which in effect loan the government money for 10 years. Legally, they could not build war financing into the regular federal budget back then. This changed at some point, not sure when, but it sure would be interesting if that still went on.
Lastly, we are not supposed to talk about politics on this site anymore, so make sure there are NO arguments and NO criticism of any other posts in this thread.
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10-01-2006, 10:07 PM
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Interesting, I didnt know that about the war bonds. It probably changed when the Cold War started to rev up and we began fighting a bunch of unofficial, non-declared wars.
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10-01-2006, 11:42 PM
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I'm currently reading a fascinating book about democracy, totalitarianism, religion, liberalism and the state of the world today...and it was written in 1945. People knock religion when it comes to a political agenda, but the Catholic social agenda, understood properly is a remarkable one: assure the dignity of the human individual, by establishing the conditions whereby all can attain a decent standard of living (access to education and health care, ownership, freedom from oppression, an equal voice in their society, opportunity to work and trade, etc...) and have the right to worship according to their conscience.
A lot of conservatives read it as communist, or socialist at best, but it differs radically by stressing the fundamental importance of human individuality and dignity, and radically supports the fundamental right to life. Of course, on the left it is criticized as authoritarian and theocratic.
If you're at all intrigued, track down a copy of A Catholic Looks at the World, by Francis E. McMahon (Vanguard Press, 1945).
And statistically, while the largest group in this poll currently describe themselves as "left", the combined total of those who DO NOT consider themselves "left" is greater. So, I don't know if that answers the original question (are most travelers "left"), or not?
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10-04-2006, 01:22 AM
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So far 52% consider themselves left wing. It seems like a good read TW I may check it out.
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10-04-2006, 07:16 AM
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Those votes keep coming in.
Finished the book today, interesting stuff. And today I watched a movie called "Entertaining Angels" about Dorothy Day, founder of the Catholic Worker organization.
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10-04-2006, 08:04 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumblezweedz @ Oct 2 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]141390[/snapback]</div>
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I'm currently reading a fascinating book about democracy, totalitarianism, religion, liberalism and the state of the world today...and it was written in 1945. People knock religion when it comes to a political agenda, but the Catholic social agenda, understood properly is a remarkable one: assure the dignity of the human individual, by establishing the conditions whereby all can attain a decent standard of living (access to education and health care, ownership, freedom from oppression, an equal voice in their society, opportunity to work and trade, etc...) and have the right to worship according to their conscience.
A lot of conservatives read it as communist, or socialist at best, but it differs radically by stressing the fundamental importance of human individuality and dignity, and radically supports the fundamental right to life. Of course, on the left it is criticized as authoritarian and theocratic.
If you're at all intrigued, track down a copy of A Catholic Looks at the World, by Francis E. McMahon (Vanguard Press, 1945).
And statistically, while the largest group in this poll currently describe themselves as "left", the combined total of those who DO NOT consider themselves "left" is greater. So, I don't know if that answers the original question (are most travelers "left"), or not?
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I read that book many years ago. It is a god read.
Dorothy Day is one of my heroes.
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10-04-2006, 03:52 PM
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I had a history professor in college who described himself as a Christian Socialist, and I must say, his brand of politcs was the most annoying I have ever encountered. The collectivist policies of socialism combined with the oppressive moralizing of religion.
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10-04-2006, 11:06 PM
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LFOD--
There is a distinct reason why there were war bonds. FDR nearly bankrupted the government, for a very good reason, to restart the economy post the stock market crash. The country's credit rating, as it was, was pitiful. All the works programs started by FDR (the TVA, the Hoover Dam, et al) were done on borrowed funds, as the tax-paying populace's contributions were nowhere near the amount necessary to finance the projects themselves.
To mount a war effort as large as WWII required additional income that couldn't be raised with so many of the working populace away fighting. On top of this, there was not much more the Feds could borrow to finance the war. By the sale of bonds the govn't could finance the war effort outside of tax revenue sources, and borrowing from banks.
This bond system is still done today, although perhaps not as popular. Cities/municipalities and even the Feds sell bonds that will mature over time to repay the original holder interest plus over time to finance capital projects.
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10-05-2006, 08:36 AM
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Som, one of the points made in the book is that there is no such thing as a "Christian Socialist".
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11-18-2006, 07:01 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tumblezweedz @ Oct 2 2006, 12:42 AM) [snapback]141390[/snapback]</div>
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I'm currently reading a fascinating book about democracy, totalitarianism, religion, liberalism and the state of the world today...and it was written in 1945. People knock religion when it comes to a political agenda, but the Catholic social agenda, understood properly is a remarkable one: assure the dignity of the human individual, by establishing the conditions whereby all can attain a decent standard of living (access to education and health care, ownership, freedom from oppression, an equal voice in their society, opportunity to work and trade, etc...) and have the right to worship according to their conscience.
A lot of conservatives read it as communist, or socialist at best, but it differs radically by stressing the fundamental importance of human individuality and dignity, and radically supports the fundamental right to life. Of course, on the left it is criticized as authoritarian and theocratic.
If you're at all intrigued, track down a copy of A Catholic Looks at the World, by Francis E. McMahon (Vanguard Press, 1945).
And statistically, while the largest group in this poll currently describe themselves as "left", the combined total of those who DO NOT consider themselves "left" is greater. So, I don't know if that answers the original question (are most travelers "left"), or not?
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I'm not sure exactly how that differs from what we have in the U.S. today? I can support my family to at least a subsistence level with very little skill, and a reasonable expenditure of labor. If I wish to exceed that level of income, it's readily available to me, either through self-improvement (there's plenty of educational opportunities, as well as options to finance said education) I'm free to worship as I choose (despite the ACLU's best efforts to prevent it), and I have an equal voice in how my society is run (despite the rumors to the contrary)
How then would the Catholic social agenda be any better?
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12-14-2006, 04:41 PM
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Politics are a sham and just a way for the powers that be to become more powerful and richer. The politics of the U.S. can bite my ass, even though I currently live in the states, my main reason for wanting to leave the states is because of the state of the political system in this country. I refuse to discuss politics with most, and find I avoid a lot of bullshit by not.
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